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mbarkley
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 03:13 am |
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I have heard a LOT of discussions/opinions regarding what is required under the new laws considering border security and everyone had a different opinion. I recently attended a presentattion by the Chief Agent for the Border Protection Agency of Homeland Security and the law is VERY specific in that documents (passports, I-68, Nexus, etc) and reporting in is ONLY required if you land, drop anchor or tie up to a vessel anchored in Canadian waters. You are NOT considered as having left the U.S if you cross back and forth between U.S. and Canada while fishing or boating unless you have landed.
http://cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleasure_boats/boats/pleasure_boat_overview.xml
The 3rd paragraph under the heading "Exceptions to Face-to-Face reporting to CBP" specifically states
"Any small pleasure vessel leaving a United States port into international or foreign waters, without a call at a foreign port, does not satisfy the foreign departure requirement. Therefore, certain fishing vessels, cruises to nowhere, or any vessel that leaves from a United States port and returns without calling a foreign port or place, has not departed the United States."
You have NOT left the U.S. unless you LAND or Anchor in Canada!
Hopefully, we will have the Chief Agent at the June DWF meeting to explain and answer questions
Mike Barkley
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capt_paul
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 04:11 am |
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Mike,
The plan is CBP will be at the June Fish Fry. I have made the necessary arrangements. I couldn't have said it better.
Thank you....Paul Doute
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mbarkley
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Posted: Sat Mar 8th, 2008 04:42 am |
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Great!!! Thanks, Paul!
Mike Barkley
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goosewa
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 08:23 pm |
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Mike,
The days of verbal declairation are over. Considering I travel out of county frequently I just went ahead and got a passport. I never have had any problems crossing or coming back using a Passport.
There has been alot of discussion on many boards over the last few months. I think the CBP could do a better job of educating people so there is no further confusion or misinterpretation of the laws.
The I68 program was created by the US CBP, not Canada Customs. You do not need an I68 to enter Canada nor do you need it for your return to the US as it is a vountary program and NOT A REQUIREMENT.
Should you partcipate it allows you to report to CBP by telephone without an in-person inspection when you return to the US. Everyone on your vessel must have a valid I68 otherwise you will need to report to CBP in-person at a recognized Port-of-Entry or from an OARS (Outlying Area Reporting Station).
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleasure_boats/boats/oars.xml: Here are the OARS stations for Ohio:
OHIO
Cedar Point Marina, Sandusky, OH Brand's Marina, Port Clinton, OH
East 55th St, Cleveland, OH; Grand River Marina, Fairport Harbor, OH
Chagrin Lagoon Yacht club, Eastlake, OH; Mentor Lagoon Marina, Mentor, OH
Ashtabula Public Dock, Ashtabula, OH
It is not listed but, I believe there is an OARS station at Rivera Park at the public docks in Put-in-Bay. Keep this in mind should you have any trips planned to Pelee Island
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleasure_boats/boats/pleasure_locations/michigan.xml: As of 5/23/2007 CBP now acknowledges the following (below) locations as Reporting Locations. If I interpret the law correctly you can now report to CBP at Elizabeth Park. Which is helpful info for those who do not have a I68...
Detroit Area
St. Clair, MI
Metro Beach Public
31300 Metro Parkway
Mt. Clemens, MI 48046
Detroit, Mi
Erma Henderson Park
8800 E. Jefferson
Detroit, MI 48226
Trenton, MI
Elizabeth Park
4500 Elizabeth Dr
Trenton, MI 48183
In addition do not forget that if you operate a vessel that is 30 foot or larger you need to purchase a Customs User Fee Decal. This is an annual fee and the cost is $27.50
For more info on the User Fee Decal: http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/pleasure_boats/user_fee/user_fee_decal.xml
Last edited on Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 08:26 pm by goosewa
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mbarkley
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Posted: Sat Mar 22nd, 2008 09:08 pm |
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| Thanks! The same applies to the NEXUS card as far as rporting requirements! There is also a PASPORT CARD available now that is valid for land/water travel in the Western Hemisphere (Canada, Mexico, Caribbean and Bermuda). Passports STILL require a check in (NOT by telephone). These are ONLY mandatory if you ANCHOR, Dock or meet with another ship/boat that is anchored, etc. We will have the Cheif Officer from the CPT at the June meeting to explain/answer questions for Members
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mschaller
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Posted: Fri Mar 28th, 2008 02:34 pm |
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Check this out...Any Charter Captains know what this is about ??
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/environment/2008-03-26-fishing_N.htm
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capt.redbone
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 08:54 am |
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Mark look at the following from the Department of Homeland Security for the new law to take effect on June 1, 2009. Look under the heading - Traveling By Sea.
The current laws mike has posted above.
http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1206635771151.shtm
Bob Piette
Last edited on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 09:28 am by capt.redbone
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mbarkley
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 02:41 pm |
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This is taken directly from the Fept of zHomeland Security web site that Red posted above .
"What about commercial or charter vessels that enter international waters but do not dock at a foreign port? Are its passengers required to present passports upon returning to the United States?
No. As long as a vessel does not call at a foreign port, immigration law does not consider this a “departure” from the United States and therefore upon return, is not considered an entry that would require a passport. Therefore, passports or other designated documents would not be required for those, including commercial fishermen traveling on a vessel that sails from a U.S. port and returns without calling at a foreign port."
Their are different requirements for Charter captains (not their passengers) who are considered Commercial seamen. These reg are being reviewed.
Mike
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mschaller
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 07:26 pm |
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Thanks Bob,
I talked to an agent who works out of Elizabeth Park and he told me the same thing. They are going to enforce the law the same way they did last year. Don't touch anything and you will be fine. He did warn me though that I should pay attention to updates because the rules are forever changing.
Long story short, I'm keeping my passport on me and I'm not going to come into contact with anything on the CDN side.
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mbarkley
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Posted: Sat Mar 29th, 2008 08:22 pm |
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Nobody will need a passport even to land in Canada, until June 2009. Passport cards and enhanced Driver's licenses will be interchangeable even then. Personally, I wouldn't run out and spend $100 on a passport when there will be a lot less expensive alternatives such as the PASSPORT CARD, available now at about half of the price (apply at any Post Office) and is good for LAND and Water travel between U.S., Canada, Carribean and Bermuda.
Remember, a passport does NOT eliminate the requirement to check in and clear Customs in PERSON after landing in Canada (NOT by telephone)
Last edited on Sat Mar 29th, 2008 08:24 pm by mbarkley
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goosewa
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 02:37 am |
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mbarkley wrote: Nobody will need a passport even to land in Canada, until June 2009. Passport cards and enhanced Driver's licenses will be interchangeable even then. Personally, I wouldn't run out and spend $100 on a passport when there will be a lot less expensive alternatives such as the PASSPORT CARD, available now at about half of the price (apply at any Post Office) and is good for LAND and Water travel between U.S., Canada, Carribean and Bermuda.
Remember, a passport does NOT eliminate the requirement to check in and clear Customs in PERSON after landing in Canada (NOT by telephone)
Mike,
The Passcard is only valid for Land/Sea Travel to United States, Canada, Mexico, Bermuda and Bahamas.
If you plan on traveling by air your going to need a Passport, keep this in mind.
The NEXUS card is considered an alternative to a passport and is valid for air travel between US and Canada only.
If you travel anywhere out of the county by air, land or sea a passport is your best bet and covers you across the board.
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mbarkley
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Posted: Sun Mar 30th, 2008 02:47 am |
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| I know! That is in the post above!. One thing worth mentioning is that if you drive into Canada and do a fly in, you don't need to worry because once you cross the border by land/water, flying within Canada doesn't require anything!
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